Walter In Denver

You sure he didn't just plagiarize that from Democratic Underground?

With the timing - I would think DU is nicking Churchill...

Fat, slow moving target? Good thing Colorado has no whaling laws you have to follow.

Can we just put Ward Churchill and Ann Coulter in an arena with some sharp implements and sell tickets?

Ahh yet another interesting item,the good professor is a registered.... REPUBLICAN.. go figure

Wow... after reading that article I actually heard the words, "I'm John Kerry... and I approve this message."

It has been a theory of mine and now I think it's been proven.
Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Michael Moore and now Ward Churchill share one brain.
A alchohol soaked swiss cheese type brain, but they share it none the less.
Maybe it's a hive mind?

yeah this guy obviously has no clue what he is talking about. I read another one of his articles about the poor oppressed native americans. what a bunch of bullshit. He tries to insinuate that the men and women who were killed in 9/11 where some sort of baby killers, and that the united states military is just carrying out corporate orders. I myself have been to both Afghanistan and Iraq, and haven't killed one baby, or unarmed civilian. Saddam Hussein slaughter thousands of Kurds, killed anyone who disagreed with him, and harbored, if not supported known terrorists, i.e. Abu Musab al Zarqawi. This guy compares corporations to Nazis. You want to talk about modern day Nazis? How about Afghanistan 10 years ago where footbal, music, and womans education where outlawed? Women couldn't go to the market without being accompanied by a male, blood, relative. Shiites were forced to either convert to Sunni's or they were slaughtered. Uzbekis, Tajiks, Hazaras, thousands of "native people" killed. In another of his articles he talks about the name "Braves" being degrating to Native Americans. Why do the Dallas Cowboys not offend anybody. Are we trying to say that everyone from Texas is an ignorant farmer who's left in the days of the wild west? Of course not. It's a [edit] sports team. Get over the [edit] man. Yes, horrible things were done to the Indians, but the Indians did a lot of raping and looting themselves. The first recorded coflicts weren't Europeans attacking Indians, it was the other way around. Besides if you hate America you have the right to move to some socialist, [edit] country like France. Really they're still just pissed of because they couldn't save their own ass in WWII.

Its almost like the good prof is a 14 yr trying to get Dad's attention with a blue spike Mohawk and face piercings. I went and read some of his nonsense and could only think, Saddam didn't offer too many tenured professorships to people who like Mr. Churchill, bite the hand that feeds them. I would go Mr. Miller one further and offer Churchill (along with all of the whining celebrities) one way tickets to France, and help them to airline gate.

Only in America could a piece of human waste like Churchill speak his filth without someone inserting a sharp object in his ear.

Come on!! There must be some crazy out there willing to 'do' this fat moron.

Get on it!!!

I just put my daughter through four years of college. I invested in the stock market when she was a baby, like many parents do, in order to afford an education for her. Whatever Chruchill actually does at Boulder, I'm quite certain he doesn't do it for free. Thus, Churchill is a direct beneficiary of the "mighty engine of profit" he decries. Without it he wouldn't have a place to spout his ideas or wear those cool shades.

Keep the comments clean and salient or you go into the same dry and boring rhetorical flourishes as the Professor.
It is obvious he has the right to free speech, but what the tone and meaningless rhetoric of his speech don't allow him is the "right" to be wrong.

This pap just typifies the psychotic rhetoric that passes for "intellectualism" at US colleges.

Ward should check into the nearest psych ward as quickly as possible and take his delusional pals with him.

Intellectual brilliance is great for such things as changing a light bulb ..hehe.. or pogramming a computer. In matters pertaining to the human condition, one must nurture a very good heart to spawn just, social solutions. That takes serious work than the years invested in a doctorate. So Mr. Churchill, ..shh! Go join a hip-pop band.

Welcome to uber-liberal academia. While this obviously deluded soul relished in the death of the particpating capitalist, it was said capitalist and their counterparts that no doubt help keep the dowry strong to provide him his comfortable professorship and accompanying soapbox from whence to spray his bilge.
While he wrongly denied innoncence to the capitalist participants, he speaks nothing of the janitors, maintenance men, and the 3 "unskilled" laborers on the 45th floor of the south tower who made excellent philly cheese steak sandwiches. And since when did fireman and chaplains become capitalists.
I hardly think had the United & American flights vaporized his loved ones, or the tumbling buildings denied him any remains of his daughter or spouse that he would sympathize with the cowards so readily.
Mr.Churchill is obviously devoid of logic, and maybe capacity. Although he has the right to make the incredibly inflammatory remarks to which he seems so beholden, I wonder if he has the rationale to do so with legitimacy.

Do you want to know what? I am simply appalled. Appalled that someone could be such a cynical, misguided, filth-mouthed waste of space. May I remind you Mr. Churchill, we have Canada to our north and Mexico to our south; if you are so disgusted with America, a country that actually bestows you the liberty to speak such nonsense (p.s. if you would have spoken against the majority in terrorist countries such as Iraq, you, your children, and your entire family would have been eradicated) then pack your bags, and take your sick, sorry ass to another country. And aren't you a professor? The last time I checked you are receiving a United States government paycheck.

Churchill is a smart guy, a leading thinker in the area of ethnic studies, and while I certainly agree with the "intellectual trolling" statement, he has his first amendment rights like the rest of us. He's a socialist. He wrote a book called "Marxism and Native Americans." But last I heard, McCarthyism was supposed to be a bad word by now. Apparantly that's still not the came.

"pack your bags, and take your sick, sorry ass to another country" etc. etc.
Churchill is truly an American. He is exercizing the liberties you all give lip service to. Only once he offends you in his freedom you want to take it away from him (but reserve it for yourself!). Also the fact that he's a Native American doesn't hurt in that regard either. But I guess he should pack his bags eh? Him and a few others and our mass genocide of the native population of this country will be complete!

To say that dissent, in all its anti-whatever and/or anarchistic glory, serves as grounds to suggest one leaves the country is laughable. If not for one's self-interest, why else would one sit idly by when our empire is exploiting the rest of the planet. No authority should murder - where is that said? Starting offensive wars has nothing to do with spreading democracy, everything to do with economic domination. I just can't wait 'til people can admit to their greed and mistakes. It'll be such a beautiful day...

If you had read Churchill's stuff on Marxism you would know that he is definitely not a socialist. This is simply absurd.

And the U.S. mega-state, gaurantees no ones rights, least of all Native Americans. The rights that we have are not given to us by the government. They are concessions by the state in return for the state not being overturned by the "rabble." Now, since the Bill of Rights has been completely gutted, where does that leave us?

Wake up and smell the corpses, people. The power strucure that claims to speak in our name has been reaping death and destruction since its inception. This, of course, is also true of every other state entity, its just that the U.S. came out way ahead after WW II, and now constiutes the greatest criminal organization on the planet.

The information and history of the U.S.'s history of domestic and international criminality is widely available. For example: every one can easily find out about our governments key role in brining Hussein to power to begin with, along with numerous other repressive anti-democratic regimes all over the world.

Those that continue to to justify these polices and practices are cleary accomplices to this criminality.

You know, there seems to be a lot of talk about free speech and Churchill's right to it. But little seems to be said about responsibility. People try every day to make a living in this country, pay their bills and raise their kids. For Churchill to suggest that the folks who were killed in the twin towers on 9/11 were somehow guilty of crimes against humanity, simply by making a living in the marketplace, the world marketplace, is unforgivable irresponsibility. To suggest that these poor victims had such a terrible death coming to them is mindless drivel spoken by a person who, using his logic, is just as deserving of the same fate.

Take, for instance, his assertion that the victims of the twin towers were a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's financial empire--the mighty engine of profit. He goes on to say that their crimes, by being part of this "mighty engine of profit", resulted in misery being inflicted on untold others in the world. And just because they may be ignorant of these inflictions is no excuse. According to him, they were guilty! So, according to Chruchill, just because these "technocrats" did not know that their actions were, according to him, causing all this misery does not give them a free pass. They, according to him, deserved to die.

Is Churchill not a professor? Has he not taught students in a college? If one, just one of his students becomes a technocrat for the "mighty engine of profit", will he not then be guilty of unleashing a monster upon the world? And, God forbid, if one of those students becomes an officer in the United States Armed Forces what then of the most righteous professor? Does the righteous professor pay taxes? Is he ignorant of the fact that those taxes fund the very government that protects the "technocratic corps" he blathers about? HE IS GUILTY!!! If he had a shred of common decency left in his body, he would make a walking pilgrimage to the Golden Gate Bridge, and fling himself into the ocean! At least then we could all say that he was a person of his word.

Personally, I don't think he believes a word he has written. I think this all has to do with the "mighty engine of profit." He's just wanting to sell more of his blather to the public. And what better way than to make statements that will inflame the public, thereby gaining attention. Kids do that all the time to their parents. You know, do something stupid to get their parents to notice them. Anybody who has a kid has seen that.

No, I think ol Ward is a closet capitalist, in socialist clothing.

people this country was founded on two principles.Greed and WAr. CHeck out our history its pretty obvious.We are fat lazy war mongers.You dont sell we take with force.Starting with native americans and now in Iraq.Defending freedom? what is freedom in america? Credit card debt and masturbation. I know neo cons and republicans wave your flag and proclaim this is the greatest country in the world.JUst for once aknowledge that we are an empire and value property and cell phones over human life.

To Ken Miller Mostly -- and to some other weak spirits in general

Funny you should mention the word [edit]. You or any of the other soundbite regurgitators read Ward's books? If the writing here is indicative, I assume not, but give it a go. Good luck--[edit]! But back to the point. You want Ward Churchill to get over the decimation of the beautiful cultures that once thrived here and now live on as mascots for the replacement country's idiotic sport's teams--many First Nations have been annihilated thanks to Columbus and subsequent conquerors (i.e. Tainos). But there are more demeaning points to discuss, like food rations, 371 broken treaties, the list goes on. Back to the Braves and your silly analogy. Cowboys thrive, in fact, they exist on stolen territory. Now you are telling the indigenous peoples of this land if they don't like the newly installed government they can just go back to the place that started 500 years of hegemony? You audacious piece of [edit].

I'm not done--Miller.
In all your extensive travels you may have overlooked the prolific use of the word "squaw" on place names in this country. Let's change it around. I think since we've white-washed the place--let's use something you can easily get your mind around.

Something tells me, you wouldn't mind too much--but if your elders are as ignorant as you--they might. Even if they didn't agree with my views, something tells me that Mom, Dad, Aunt, Uncle, etc. driving through the mountains wouldn't take kindly to a sign that says, [edit] Valley Resort, Exit 2 miles. But facts are facts, and squaw means [edit], [edit], female genitalia to put it nicely.

Ward Churchill--I've read his book, ""A Little Matter of Genocide." It was one of about 10 required reading by my professor Glenn Morris. Neither of these individuals condone violence and I have written of my grief in papers regarding the tragedy of 911, but also about the hundreds of thousands of people who die at the hands of state sanctioned violence, i.e., Iraq. We are calling 911 a tragedy, and it is, but bombing a whole city is Shock and Awe? Sounds like a [edit]video game. Maybe the trade center looked like Shock and Awe on the other side of the globe. Are we so compassionate? Let's bomb who knows how many women and children and call it Shock and [edit] Awe!!!!! I call for the resignation of the peabrained President.

Strange coincidence that one week after Columbus protest acquittals, one of the smartest men I've ever met who has written ~ 20 books with contributions from Noam Chomsky and other great thinkers--and a lecture given 4 years ago has suddenly resurfaced in the form of sound bites taken completely out of context. You know what else? I recall a more vast outpouring of collective grief from our country for WTC. It's amazing how quickly we forget about 200K dead and millions more displaced in the tsunami in Asia. Guess it's just not close enough to home.

Think! Ward encourages independent thinking and a jury of his peers agreed with him and seven others less than two weeks ago following three days of heartfelt testimony. Now, people who weren't even in the courtroom are judging the jurors--WHAT A BRILLIANT COUNTRY I LIVE IN! I'm ashamed of all of you. Stand up and think for yourselves. I for one stand behind people like Ward Churchill, and I know that there are many, many other independent thinkers who respect his courage to go outside the "mainstream." You're calling the wrong guy a [edit]--that's the guy/girl who's too weak to fight the inoculation of a society that wants everyone to think the same way.

I used to wonder things like, "how did a whole society-Germany- allow the holocaust to happen?"

I wonder no more.

Bernadette Grassi-Gamboa
Italian/Irish/French/Kickapoo
Protester 2004 Denver Columbus Day Parade
Acquitted of all Charges-AND DAMNED [edit]PROUD OF IT
COLUMBUS DAY IS NOT A CELEBRATION OF ITALIAN HERITAGE

The hunt for materia and money have made the American to a dangerous lying psycho. They don't have any feelings, beacause all that matter is money, without money you are nothing in the US and you have nothing. EAT OR BE EATEN CREATES BEAST*S...I FEEL SO SAD FOR YOU ALL AMERICANS...WE SEE IT, YOU DON*T!

I don't agree with Churchhill's characterization of people who were killed in the wtc as little Eichmans. I don't believe that they deserved to be killed either. I understand that corporate America is responsible for many bad things that take place in the world, but the people who blew up the wtc and the pentagon do not represent any movement to redress the legitimate grievances of oppressed people. They do represent a primitive closed minded bigotted tyranny that they want to foist upon the world in the place of the current world order that Churchill is against. They do not represent oppressed people, they want to simply replace the oppressors with their own style of oppression. So, Churchill is dead wrong. At the same time Churchill has written against the idiots who claim the the holocaust never happened. And, I can't understand one response in this blog that stated that Churchill's assertion that American Indians suffer from oppression is bullshit. While Churchill cannot defend the bombing of the world trade center, no one can deny that American Indians do not suffer from a legacy of oppression.

What raving lunatic linked to this post?

We need to clean up academia of propagandist such as W.C. by abolishing tenure,,,Once tenured they have no responsibility to anyone and begin to live in a dreamworld of their own delusions,,,,FREE ACADEMIA,,,ABOLISH TENURE,,,,!

Matt, no raving lunatic, just Google.

There is no race that is indigenous to North America. The commonly referred to "Native America" people did not originate here. They are descendants of the Mongolians and migrated to North America via the Aleutian Islands. The claim that they alone are intitled to North America because it was "Spoken" by whatever religious entity their tribal leader told them to worship, is unfounded. If anyone had one doubt it's off with their head.

The Native America's routinely praticed slavery long before the white man brought Africans here. Barbarism was worldwide with no signs of changing until Democracy reared it's ugly head in America, (ugly according to Ward Churchill ).

Mr. Churchill's motives are clearly to get his 15 minutes of fame and sell more books. He should consider changing his profession and become a gorilla public relations person. He has an instinct for skewing the truth. and plays the race card effectively. He does not realize he foments more hatred between peoples of different origins. His intellectual colleague support him merely because he calls himself a minority who is indigenous to North America. It makes them feel politically correct. They are self serving fools for supporting a disgusting bigot who, if he had the balls, would try to rival Adolf Hitler.

Wow~I just blew my nose! I killed millions of microbes~ I deserve to die! Ward Churchill, please take my opressive ass out of this world, I am a conquering capitalist, hurt me.

Ward Churchill has blue eyes. This is why he wears those big shades. He is not pure native American, he is part bloody oppressor and murderer, therefore he should pack his bags and go back to Europe pronto, where his ancestors came from, and leave the Native Americans to run their Casinos.

I just want to reply to Bernadette. First of all, you are a very disturbed person who should consider an anger management program of some sort, because based on all of the exclamatory statements, and the rage in your words, i have a feeling some of your good china was flying across the room. Furthermore, free speech is wonderful; but to say theose who died in 9/11 were not innocent is ludicrous and out of line. This instance shouldn't have to be about free speech, instead, respect for those (not to mention the family members) who lost their lives.

A message to Ward: You, your family and your people, living in your ignorant stuppor with your necks stretched high, mouths agape, waiting on your slice of Sarah Lee pie or McDonald's Big Mac, are creating a demand. A demand that corporations throughout the world are willing to fill. Without your pathetic participation in the glutonous circle of life, there would be no little eicmans. You, your family and your people are therefore their creator. Therefore, using your genius rationale, you, your family and your people deserve to die.
Thank you for shining light on the matter.

LETTER TO WARD CHURCHILL

wow chief,
you ain't gonna work on maggie's farm no more.
you resigned the chair.
Big step for little man. maybe now your "soul of a black man" will not get fired.
but i doubt it.
looks like you misread the political climate, chief.
how dare you belittle the deaths of innocent people. don't you realize that statements like the one you made are foolish and don't HELP anyone.
SHAME
SHAME
SHAME on you.
you don't get it do you? you have to help people to be a person. looks like you've been helping yourself to bolster your own ego. The picture I saw of you with the shades on...geez dude, get a fucking grip. you pompous egomaniacal jackass.

You look like an [edit].
you sound like an [edit]
you make statements like an [edit].
gee, are you a duck or an [edit]?

So are you a real indian or just a pretend indian. i noticed your ridiculous hairdo shines in the sun like a brave warrior's spear. whatever. you ain't no full blood nothing chief, you are at LEAST half white judging from your skin tone and hair and name. so why do you choose to only follow the injun side of your heritage? guess being a white boy don't get you that fancy asian pussy. tsk tsk. that's what it's all about innit chief ? getting some pussy. that's probably why you wrote those moronic essays....thinking it would make you look edu-mah-cated and courageous and ultimately get you some good student [edit].
there is not much good student [edit] drinking your sorrows away on the reservation is there?

here's a free tip for you chief - you are human like all of us and if need to feel like you belong to something....belong to the human race. join us !

This is nothing less than a witch hunt. Those same people who defend the U.S. Constitution are very quick to denounce someone for using their right to speak their mind and opinion. I guess freedom of speech is only for those who agree with the current political party.

no ronnie,
it's just that free speech requires a bit of thinking. this chucklehead deserves everything he gets. you see, i have FREE Speech too. and I cn deounce this jackass for publicly urinating on the memories of innocent people killed.

Can i say [edit] the indians, they got what was coming? they weren't using very much of north america anyway were they?
[editor: not here you can't]
Sure I can say. but I better be aware of the repercussions.....I think it's safe to say Churchill, if that is his real name, grossly misread the political and patriotic climate in america to day.

[edit] HIM. he gets what's coming.

I wonder why all the fuss all of a sudden about this particular essay. It was supposedly written and made public right after 9/11, making it a few years old already - I don't recall anyone whining about it then, when it would have made more sense to be upset about it.

It sounds like the current "jump on the bandwagon" brigade against the author because we have nothing better to whine about to me. Damn him for having his own views and opinions anyway.

you mean like you did, Patti, by posting here?

Maybe this should be called the "mothy" board since she obviously doesn't like when EVERONE doesn't agree with her view on this OLD article. Is not the purpose here to actually discuss the current topic at hand or is it just to see how many people you can get to agree with your own particular views?

dude, ward knows the truth! no one does it better. as for walter, wish he were in the trade center at the time as well

String 'em up!

Thank you for opening your mouth....as is your right. It is much better for all of us when there is a clear label on a product that is being dispensed in this country. People now as is their right, can make an informed choice to avoid your poisonous venum and watch you fade away.
I for one believe that all educational places in America should be required to disclose the contents of their products and you have started the trend. All Universities should include the writtings and speeches given by their staff in all their promotional information from this day forward. The class action lawyers will hold CU accountable for the misguided education you are giving your students just like they did tobacco and fast food.
Feel free to express your views and enjoy the limited places in this country that will allow it to continue.

The people who died on 9/11 are now with the ancestors-- or in Christian terms, in Heaven. Arguing over their innocence is beside the point, not to mention childish. What would they say to you now, from where they are?

Do you really see the dead as looking down from "heaven" raving for revenge?-- screaming for more people to die?-- and in their name?-- that we should use their memory as the excuse?

No. The stories say it is those in "hell" who do such things.

Using dead people as an excuse for more killing dishonors their memory, and their current wishes alike. And it doesn't matter if it's Jesus, Muhammad, or just some working stiff who is used.

Using the dead as an excuse to hate the living is the same dishonor.

Teddy Roosevelt coined the phrase "Native Americans"...do you know who he was referring to? It was the people currently inhabiting the US. Not the Indians.
Anyhow, the statement that everyone has the right to free speech, is 100% true, but be prepared for the consequences. However, if you hate the country so much, then there are other countries out there that you might find more suitable. I am not saying you have to leave, but there comes a point when you have to put up or shut up. Just because things don't go your way all the time, does not mean you have to be in a ten-foot hover, cursing the darkness.
Also, where is the proof that 500K babies were killed? I was in the gulf war and I don't remember killing any kids. I was proud to be part of a liberating force and I lost many comrades over there whose sacrifice is diminished by such people as Ward Churchill who is afforded freedoms thanks to their sacrifice.

I will keep this rather short, violence begets violence, anger and agression likewise. Churchill is not expressing hatred for America; quite the contrary, he is being, as he sees, truly patriotic, accepting responsbility for the actions, at least in part, in his name. What he is asserting is simply that the attacks we have experienced are not entirely unprovoked. If you disagree with this I would then ask you to attempt, just for a second, to put yourself in the shoes of the 'enemy' and then question the actions taken by them and by us. This is not a justification, only an attempt to allow another to see that all are quilty and change is necessary.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
-Jesus Christ

I think the good prof needs to be demoted to teaching INCO 101 Public Speaking :)

tenured educated fools only create more educated idiots, find a better place to get your educations.

Testosterone is a dangerous thing to waste. Such anger! Such rage! Such sense of betrayal! I read Mr. Churchill's fantasy of what he'd like to see America become (I don't quite get it...livin' off the fat 'o the land in a bunch of devolutionized territories?...he admits he hasn't thought it out too well). That's nice. Sounds a WHOLE lot better than our world of good dental care, supermarkets, and Blockbuster video stores.
This is not an intellectual. This is a boy with an outsized neurosis of rage that developed into his treatise. Lots of boys on that historical football team.
Just an idea--authority ALWAYS sucks...but deal with it. Isn't it obvious that our way of life works JUST a tad better than most? OK, some might be better..but this is just quibbling, not a call to arms. As for the present and past wars...evolution is fright with messy philosophical and moral debates without any absolutely righteous high ground. This is the world we live in and I suppose if your life sucks so badly that you want a revolution, you're welcome to try. Me, I'm fighting for a paycheck for my wife and family. Changing THEIR lives is a far more realistic cause.
I wonder if this dude Churchill is married. Ward, I know a good shrink if you care to work on yourself and your personal relationships. Just a guess that you might need one.

NEW HEADLINE: Churchill's chickens come home to Roost as College cancels appearance of professor who compared 9/11 victims to Nazis

CLINTON, N.Y. (AP) - After receiving death threats, an upstate New York college has canceled an appearance by University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill.

Churchill set off a frenzy in an essay praising the "gallant sacrifices" of the 9/11 hijackers. He also compared the victims of the 2001 attacks to Nazis.

The essay attracted little attention until Churchill was invited to speak at Hamilton College. Hundreds of relatives of September 11 victims protested the appearance.

A college spokesman says threats have been received against both college officials and Churchill himself.

Churchill resigned Monday as chairman of the University of Colorado's ethnic studies department.

AND EVEN BETTER!

DENVER - Colorado Governor Bill Owens sent a letter to the University of Colorado College Republicans regarding the controversy surrounding CU professor Ward Churchill.

The letter was to be read a rally Tuesday by College Republicans president Isaiah Lechowit.

The entire text of the letter is as follows.

Dear Friends:

We have come to a teaching moment at the University of Colorado. I applaud every person on the University of Colorado campus who has come to speak out against the indecent, insensitive and inappropriate comments and writings of Ward Churchill.

All decent people, whether Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, should denounce the views of Ward Churchill. Not only are his writings outrageous and insupportable, they are at odds with the facts of history. The thousands of innocent people - and innocent they were - who were murdered on September 11 were murdered by evil cowards Indeed, if anyone could possibly be compared to the evildoers of Nazi Germany, it is the terrorists of the 21st century who have an equally repugnant disregard for innocent human life.

No one wants to infringe on Mr. Churchill's right to express himself. But we are not compelled to accept his pro-terrorist views at state taxpayer subsidy nor under the banner of the University of Colorado. Ward Churchill besmirches the University and the excellent teaching, writing and research of its faculty.

Ideas have consequences, and words have meaning. If there is one lesson that we hope that all Coloradans take from this sad case - and especially our students - it is that civility and appropriate conduct are important. Mr. Churchill's views are not simply anti-American. They are at odds with simple decency, and antagonistic to the beliefs and conduct of civilized people around the world. His views are far outside the mainstream of civil discourse and useful academic work.

His resignation as chairman of the Ethnic Studies Department was a good first step. We hope that he will follow this step by resigning his position on the faculty of the University of Colorado.

Sincerely,

Bill Owens

PS..I bet he is fired before the week is over.

Ward Churchill? What a sorry fool! Can he really believe the twisted garbage he spews? Or is it just part of an act that gets him notoriety and a cushy professorship at an ultra-liberal school in Colorado? How do people with so much hatred come to be? And why do they stay in a country and a political system that they hate so much?

Unfortunately after reading (aka Professor) Churchill’s rants I can say that they are just that. Rants. They do not reflect the expected intellectual thoughts of a tenured professor. No, they are nothing more than the angry, and extremely angry rants of an intellectually bankrupt human being.
He has permitted his personal feelings on a host of issues to consume him psychologically to the point where he grasps anywhere and everywhere for some form consolation. What a terrible life he must lead. His every day, moment to moment without exception, without end simply one defeat after the other.
He is so angry not by his position but by his monumental inability to make a difference. What a weak man, what a poor intellect, what a sad testimony to one’s purpose in the world community.
After reading his rant I will say I have found some comfort. Comfort in the knowledge that most if not all persons will continue to ignore him both as a intellect and humanitarian. And that he will continue to be an intellectually bankrupt individual consumed by his own hate.
I feel pleasure in the knowledge that he and others like him can find no happiness or comfort in any given moment of any given day.
There can be no better definition of justice than that.
Thank you all for taking the time to read this in its entirety.

Free speach is never free.

Ward's essay is not being used as an educational tool. It's like reading a book - do you believe every book you've read to be truth? Do you watch your silly little reality shows and believe them to be real? If it's spoken, read or seen, it must be what that person truly believes? This is no different than Michael Moore's "documentaries" - but did the regime get him put away or fired from his job? Or when Kid Rock was taken off the line up from the inauguration ceremonies because certain Republicans believe ALL his music is about sex, drugs and hatred -- and this most likely from those who have never even listened to any of his music. Some people who want to run everyone else's lives are ridiculous! If you don't like what the guy said, then DON'T READ IT.... it's like changing the channel when you don't like what's on the radio or television. Instead of preventing everyone from having their own views, likes and dislikes, change the channel, don't read the book/essay.

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Does Churchill work for free? And is he aware of the janitors and restaurant workers and security guards and other blue-collar regular people that were killed in the towers? Does he even stop for a half a heartbeat to think about how his words affect their families, or if his words are even remotely accurate?

People that would defend that kind of filth make me sick. I'd like to see some of you look one of the children of one of the murdered blue-collar joes in the Towers or on one of the planes right in the eye, face to face, and tell them their daddy deserved to die because he was a "little Eichmanns."

Well, i dont know whwre to start. i guess we should start with the facts. mr churchill is obviously another of the many in this country that wish to express views to get a response that gives them the attention they didnt get when they were children. he wants us to think that americans are the worst people on the planet, that we are responsible for all that comes are way. that because we believe in capitolism that we are all greedy and out for only ourselves. i would like you to remember the morning of sept 11, just for a minute think of how you felt when the planes were crashing into the towers and pentagon. i myself went through alot of different feelings, anger, resentment, sadness, and honestly wanting revenge. why revenge? i truly believe that all the people that died and the loved ones of those who died where not all capitolist, or republicans, they were americans, and they died because they didnt believe in allah, pure and simple. lets not forget why these radicals did this. they want us dead (unless we praise allah) what does that tell you? do we go around the world and cut off peoples heads because they dont want to be free? do we go around the world and kill because we wont accept any other religon than christianity? of course not, we try and share our beliefs and our way of life with people who are repressed and under the control of a form of government. did we put some of those people in power? of course we did. why? because thats was the only option at the time. did we expect them to help there people and not kill them? of course. this world we live in is not perfect in any way shape or form. the U.S. has made alot of mistakes in the last 200 years but we are human, we are not perfect and things happen because of that reason. i also dont think that churchill or the micheal moores of the world truly believe the vile lies that they tell, they just want to make some money and get some headlines from it. so the best thing we can do is just to ignore them, and keep it simple. if you give them a platform then you have given them exactly what they want, a way to make money at the expense of the weak and the ignorant. i hope that you see this and learn to just walk away from people like this, they really arent very significant when you see the big picture....

Bernadette:

While I support your general ideals (but not your hatred), I have to disagree with your suppositions regarding Mr. Churchill. I have followed this story since it came out several years ago. These quotes were not taken out of context. Mr. Churchill supports violence as a tool to effect change; the basic tenet of his viewpoint is that state-sanctioned protest will be ignored by the state.

The fact remains that anyone who advocates murder as an acceptable means to an end is wrong. As a member of corporate America I can assure you that I am not ignorant of the plight of those less fortunate than I, nor do I see myself contributing to their troubles. Churchill said what he had to in order to be heard, but he is clearly misguided when you dissect his words in light of fundamental human rights.

Some of the context of C's remarks lies in the post-war analysis by Hannah Arendt, a left-wing Jewish writer, of Eichmann and genocide. Her main works are The Origins of Totalitarianism and Justice in Jerusalem. Arendt interprets E, working away for the destruction of the European Jews, as a dedicated bureaucrat, determined to make the system in which he was involved work at any cost to anyone. So he became a 'desk murderer'. A was in turn influenced by Lenin, whose book State and Revolution contains a promise to free us from bureaucracy and create a more direct and spontaneous form of government, to which people of many nations would be glad to belong. Lenin was in turn influenced by John Hobson, leading British opponent of the South African War that opened the twentieth century, who argued that international capitalism was a system of plunder and murder. Arendt's version of these ideas (she made the key phrase 'the banality of evil' sound almost conventional) seems to have gone down extremely well, far beyond her original sternly Left constitutency: many forces on the Right were anxious to blame 'bureaucracy' for everything. Churchill surely talks about 'Eichmanns' because of A's influence. If we want to argue againt C, rather than just rail at him, I suppose that we need to say that the major influences on him are mistaken. I think that they are indeed mistaken: the fanatical Eichmann and the evil that he did were not banal at all. People working at banal desk jobs in the Twin Towers were not 'desk murderers' just because they were part of a system, or just because they believed in capitalism. International capitalism is not pure evil: Lenin's spontaneous, international system had a chance to develop and never did. - Still, I hope that academic freedom holds in Churchill's case. Societies need extreme critics. They shouldn't be forced to emigrate. - Martin

Churchill; All book-smart, no common sense!

I agree with Professor Ward ,the consenting mass, are "free" to do exactly as they're told.And that is what you are doing.Getting on the band wagon. Nobody knows him at all on a personal level.But yet because you don't agree with him you attack his title of Professor in which he earned,the college where he earned it.
In 1991 during the deseart storm, we the people were responsible for killing innocent children and civilians,But it was OK because we the people condoned this racist act.How come when we freed Kuait did we not insist on a democratic government then.Damn we defended a King.Does anybody remember why we threw the King of England out of our country in 1776.
So how long do you think[I know it's hard with a 15 minute attention span before you need another latte] it would have been for someone to attack us on our own soil.

To Chris. Change is all that is needed? To satisfy who? A bunch of radical Muslims, who believe they are going to get 70 virgins to molest in heaven if they kill the "white devil?" I'll tell you what. You turn your other cheek and see how fast those goons shoot it off. As for ol Ward; I don't think he's a patriot. I don't think he's much of anything, but a very bad leader. And the only reason he's even that is because of very bad followers.

Joe:
Or should I say Joey.
You feel that because someone has not taken the time to know this miserable soul personally they have no right to condemn him or his title. Interesting argument. Seems the self anointed Churchill has done just that in his portrayal of the victims of the World Trade Center, the 4 airliners and the Pentagon. But I would say I know more of him and his personal thoughts than he does of them.
So by that two dimensional logic I am in position by an order of magnitude better to pass judgement of him.

As far as his title. Well just because someone completes the classes and gets a passing grade it does not a professor make. No that is a distinction of a higher order and he clearly lacks the tools and faculties to achieve it. Instead he uses his (accredited title) to insight, inflame and misguide minds in order to feel some perverse form of achievement. Besides his hatred what else does he have?

As far as Kuwait (vs Kuait) is concerned nearly all the fatalities imposed by the combined UN sanctioned forces where armed combatants. Something the Kuwaiti women, children and elderly men could not say at the hands of “Invading Iraqi troops”. Also UN sanctioned troops never entered an Iraqi city.

As for supporting a King. I will inform you since reminding is seemingly moot. The charter was not to change a sovereign government but rather to remove Iraqi forces after refusing to leave occupied territories for over 6 months.

And finally, Joey, I do believe you are the one who has had just a bit too much caffeine. You may just want to consider coco or even better milk, straight.

Oh one last thing. We didn’t throw the King of England out. We removed his influence as a colony and continued our trade relationship with the monarchy but without all those annoying taxes. A relationship which has continued to this very day and flourished. But this would go against your logic Joey so why the hell bother with facts! Right Joey?

Plenty of room for Ward in North Korea, or Cuba or Syria or Iran or France if he cares to leave. I'll take up a collection for him.
America, Love it or leave it.

Hey Bernadette!

Don’t change babe. Not a thought not a feeling not a perspective!
Keep that hate alive and well inside you.

You have no idea how good it makes many of us feel that you have no happiness, little if any hope and certainly none for the next 4 years. How great is it to see you completely consumed in your own fire.

In the words of a long forgotten rocker. Burn baby Burn!

Speaking of which, where in the Sam Hill is Sangaman State University? Is it a University or do they just give out degrees to any hack that could find the place? This Churchill is a definite hack. No doubt. Hopefully he enjoy's his 15 minutes.

And who does Gov. Owens think he is? He decides he doesn't like a 3-year old essay and requests the guy lose his job? I hope he doesn't mind paying his unemployment and public aid along with that theory. It just follows the rest of the current regime that keeps trying to change the constitution to fit their own way of thinking and that it's their way or the highway and forget about our constitutional rights.

Ward Churchill has, like most of the posters to this thread, let his emotions override his ability to think clearly. Like most people he has a lot of good ideas, and some [edit]' weird ones. The important thing here is to examine his writings from this perspective. What is certainly innapropriate is to spew death threats, and childish retorts. What I find particularly offensive are the posters who call into question Mr. Ward's Native American heritage due to his skin color which is apparent, too light. Let me pose the question, What does a Jew look like? Do they all have big noses? This line of thought is obviously rediculous... Good luck to you all in sorting out which ideas are worthwhile...

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I think Professor Churchill is a perfect example of the double standard present in our society that criticism of the majority (caucasians) in a bigoted manner is OK, while any such criticism of minorities is not.

I believe that any kind of bigoted attack on any racial group is inexcusable. I went to a liberal university, and I appreciate all kinds of opinions (from the socialist sociologist to the conservative economist), but when such opinions are so clearly racist and hateful, I tune out. I think it is a major problem that our universities endorse figures like Churchill, while being on a witch-hunt for anyone with opinions that are insensitive towards minorities or women (e.g. Harvard's president on women in science/math).

I believe 100% in freedom of speech, but the fact that Churchill has a job teaching at a university seems to confer a kind of legitimacy and authority, which he certainly does not have.

To Adam. The reason it is so hard to distinguish Jewish people is because they come in different races. Jews are not a race of people. They are a group of different races worshiping the Jewish RELIGION. Indians, on the other hand, are a race of people, although I will say that I agree with your premise that they do not all look alike. Churchill's ethnicity is not important here. What is important is what he writes. He has started a fire with his latest writing, and I hope it keeps him very, very warm, if you get my drift.

To Andrew. Well said.

Although I think Churchill is a bit of a self-aggrandizing polemicist, and question both his motives and his abilities as a communicator, I see some evidence of a provocative point nestled in his unfortunate choice of analogies. Unfortunately, I think he's more interested in creating controversy and being a Mr. Cool Guy than he is in communicating constructive ideas, which I think is the most compelling reason for disqualifying him as a commencement speaker.

In regard to this blog, however, I have never read such a pretentious, bloated heap of pseudo-intellectual, partisan drivel in my life (my apologies to those few who actually said something thoughtful and non-confrontational--you know who you are). If you're going to be dogmatic and posture yourselves as great thinkers, at least learn to spell, people.

To: Ronnie
I think Gov. Owens is coming from the position that if Churchill loses his job, he can pay him .15 on the dollar via the social welfare system (unempolyment and Public aid) as opposed to paying his inflated salary. As you must realize he is a govt. employee as he works for a State college. Get the Govt. out of Education!!!

To: Adam
R I D I C U L U O U S

Let's get a spell checker, OK?
Thanks.

While I loathe the existence of this Churchill moron, I am reminded that the very system he appauls not only pays his bills, but allows him to say the very words he orally vomits.

It really cheapens the struggles of the minority he claims to champion. I sympathize with some of the issues of Native Americans. When I read this idiot, I forget the sympathy and only remember the anger.

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If you were to be really honest here you would have to accept that there are some people in the world who we might upset from time to time. I personally have no problem with going out there and taking what we want as long as we have the biggest and best weapons to achieve that aim because the guy with the biggest and best gun wins. No point in living in denial,

I think my grandma said it best let sleeping dogs lie, and especially if they have fleas.
I do not think this man knows what reality is. My grandma was part Shawnee, and her family the english and german sides were here well before the revolution. I would consider them Native born. I think that we all need to step back, help each other and try to heal this nation this world. Man will fight for territory,power and greed, I am ashamed to say. The only one I can be responsible for is myself. As for the atrocities he purports our soldiers do,that is not what is dictated by military law. My son was in the army in Bosnia,Afganistan,etc, He stated that Military Law must be followed when you give your oath to defend this country and for what she stands. Lets get together and strengthen our country.
Hate anger and animosity will not solve anything bernadette, the greatest gift is love

See, there you guys go again. Get the government out of education? We're going to dissolve institutions that have educated millions of people and produced monolithic amounts of valuable academic, scientific, legal, and medical research, art, etc. over the blowhard rhetoric of one professor? And since when are the salaries of college professors "bloated?"

And what does "appaul" mean? How do you "loathe someone's existence," and why would you bother? Is there some other way to vomit besides "orally?"

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To Ian

You rock man
I dig your idea

Steve,
I'm not saying dissolve the institutions, I'm saying, sell them to private industry and let them run them. They will continue to produce valuable economic, mathematical, scientific, artistic, legal minds and do it for a more realistic price. It will also allow the parents who send their children to these institutions some say in what's being taught to their children. Instead they have to not only put up with some jack ass who thinks the victims of 911 were in some way at fault but they have to pay to put up with him. That ain't right!

If the private sector was allowed into aducation, there would be better professors getting into the field, as well. Now, the education system is so left wing, that a bright minded conservative who may have a knack for teaching would be crazy to even try and penetrate the force field of liberal elitists that currently hold the strings. Those conservatives won't touch teaching with a 10 foot pole and I don't blame them.

So, Again, GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF EDUCATION!!!

Live broadcast of Cu Boulder Dept of Back Pedaling conference at 5:30 pm local time
featured speaker....our favorite redskin:
Big Chief Six-Pack, Ward Churchill

How can I listen in CA?

Brad, I honestly don't know what the heck you are talking about. How will privatizing universities bring more conservative professors into the fold? The vast majority of universities and colleges in the US are privately owned--including all twelve in the Ivy League. I've attended private and public universities, and there wasn't any appreciable difference in the political profile of their professors. There were plenty of conservative educators at both, incidentally, although I'm not sure political views are really pertinent to the educational process, unless your field is something like political science or economics. I studied medicine, and honestly, I can't tell you the political persuasions of any of my professors, nor do I care.

As far as the "realistic price" issue is concerned, my medical school tuition costs were $9,000 per year at a public university, and would have been (on average) $27,000 per year at a private university. I couldn't have afforded to attend a private university, nor could many of my classmates. Think about it.

By the way--college students are adults, last time I checked. Parents really shouldn't be policing what their "children" are exposed to when those tots have turned, say, 20 years old.

I thought i'd buy in. I am an Australian and this is fascinating reading. I sense a lot of outrage and I understand that; I can't imagine what it must be like to see one's fellow country men and women killed the way they were. But I don't think Churchill can be dismissed in the way some of you propose. The guy is a Professor at a major University and his post graduate degrees means he knows more than those 'intelligent' people among you who think you know better. His only responsibility is to what he believes to be the truth. I have to say that to a foreigner such as myself, I don't neccessarily agree, but it is not outrageous to hear such opinions in Europe and Australia. And Australians generally love Americans. As Americans who promote freedom and attmept to spread it throughout the world with varying success you must not silence such people. Your democracy is based on it. We have no constitutionally protected freedom of speech in Australia and there are many things we cant say and support.

Because that's what private industry does. It Provides a product at a competitive rate or they don't stay in business. Unlike the state schools who can run the school any way they want and if it isn't profitable, they can lobby to have the govt. raise taxes. They have no accountability to the shareholders, the taxpayers!

The reason you're probably not aware of the political affiliations of your professors is because they proabably think and talk, well actually it's obvious you try to talk like them. There has been study after study proving that the field of education is overrun with liberal activists, much like the judicial system. I'd be happy to contact a friend and get a few of the studies for you.

The IVY league may be semi-private but if you look at their balance sheet, they recieve government grants up the ying yang, they aren't truely privately funded. What do you think these private entities do in return for that money???

The reason that true privatization will encourage diversity of thought in teaching is because diversity of thought will be encouraged. Unlike currently in universities across the country where if you don't subscribe to the professors theory of the Vietnam War or have the right opinion on President Bush's foreign policy, you won't get graded fairly in many cases.

I don't get the feeling that you are the type to understand this but I thought I'd explain it for the open minded. Take care steve. Glad your a doctor not a teacher!

I just finished reading "Some People Push Back", the paper in which Churchill makes the comments that have come to recent attention.

His understanding of the motivations behind the 9/11 attacks may be chartiably described as woefully inadequate, and more realistically called outright delusional. The attacks had nothing to do with retaliation.

Osama bin Laden's goal for quite some time has been the destruction of secular government in the Mideast in favor of reactionary Islamic theocracy. He couldn't have cared less about bombings in Iraq. Hussein's regime was one of the secular states he wanted destroyed. (Ironically, we've done just that for him.) bin Laden expected Saudi Arabia to lead the other Islamic nations in oppostion to Iraq when Kuwait was invaded. He was enraged when the Saudis allowed the American-led coaltion to take the lead, and from then on made America one of his targets. The '93 WTC bombing was only one of many pre-9/11 al-Qaeda attacks against US property, civilians and military forces, most of which failed.

The intent of the 9/11 attacks was to provoke precisely what they did provoke: increased, not decreased, American military involvement in the Mideast, again in the belief that the Islamic nations would band together to crush first us and then the Israelis. This has not happened and is not likely to, as the rest of the Mideast realises that while we may be taxing our resources, we are still more than capable of "pacifying" the region if necessary.

His paper was barely coherent; if I was grading it for a crit reasoning class I'd fail it. Frankly I've read much better rants on usenet. Churchill does have free speech rights but as others have pointed out, that doesn't mean any particular university is obligated to support him. Death threats are out of line, of course, and it's unfortunate that Hamilton chose to validate them.

FWIW, I think the war in Iraq was unjust and the current administration inept. I voted for Bush 2.0 in '04 nevertheless because Kerry would have been far worse.

As for the Amerind stuff -- I refuse to use the term "native American", as that properly applies to anyone born in this country -- it's ancient history. The grandchildren of those responsible are dead. There was a war, we won, they lost, very unfortunate but it's evolution in action.

"In regard to this blog, however, I have never read such a pretentious, bloated heap of pseudo-intellectual, partisan drivel in my life (my apologies to those few who actually said something thoughtful and non-confrontational--you know who you are). If you're going to be dogmatic and posture yourselves as great thinkers, at least learn to spell, people."

This blog doesn't aspire to be even 'pseudo-intellectual.' But by your use of the plural, I think you mean the commenters here, not the blog itself. I'm the only author here, and most of these commenters have never been here before today.

However, if there is something I've blogged you find to be less than correct then I welcome your counterarguments.

NB: This blog is private property. I will edit comments for language, and possibly delete some entire posts. Keep it rated PG.

What I find interesting is that these people posting here in support of Churchill are all over the place telling us that we in this country are scum, but they are still here and I would wager probably living on the government as employees at universities or doing research on government contracts or as students whose education is being paid for by the very people they are calling scum. If they believe that this country and its people are so bad, then what other country's example should we follow and why? I do hope they realize hat if they ever tried to say the things they say here in most of the countries of the world that follow the form of government they seem to support, they would be shot on sight.

The other thing that bothers me about them is that they think I should temper my choice of words to what they want me to say rather than my being able to tell them what to say. Because I choose otherwise I am someone to be called names. Should I then follow their example I am infringing on their right of free speech, which right they choose to define. I am so glad we elected the president we did and I am so glad that Gov Owens wrote the letter he did. Churchill should be free to say whatever he wants. He should not be free to do so while he is a government employee.

Thank you Brad, for your concern for my potential. I feel like a cow giving thin milk. I'm actually on faculty at a medical school now, so I'm both a doctor and a teacher, and a political moderate, if it really matters. Somehow, despite the fact that in your opinion I'm not the type to understand academic politics, I've managed to do my job educating students and residents in the art and science of healing the sick. My patients come from all manner of social, political, and economic backgrounds, and I learn something from each and every one of them.

I'm also a researcher, and given the economic demands of medical science and the scarcity of funds available, I'm grateful for every dime of grant money I receive, whether it be from the NIH or private industry. They both make valuable contributions to health care. However, given the astronomical prices that those private industries you're so fond of charge for pharmaceuticals (because the market allows it), I'm glad that the government provides medical and prescription assistance to those at my hospital who can't afford them.

It is with some expense of spirit that I respond to you, because I know you're inevitably going to keep plodding away with your brand of one-up-manship, and I'm not going to accomplish anything of value in this discussion. I just stumbled upon this blog, and in a short time I've gotten a reasonable impression of the level of discourse going on here. No hard feelings, but it's time to move on. Best of luck.

WHy has no Churchill supporter answered my questions?

I'll ask them again:

Does Churchill work for free? And is he aware of the janitors and restaurant workers and security guards and other blue-collar regular people that were killed in the towers? Does he even stop for a half a heartbeat to think about how his words affect their families, or if his words are even remotely accurate?

People that would defend that kind of filth make me sick. I'd like to see some of you look one of the children of one of the murdered blue-collar joes in the Towers or on one of the planes right in the eye, face to face, and tell them their daddy deserved to die because he was a "little Eichmanns."

Look, some of you guys seem to completely miss the point of what TENURED PROFESSOR means.

Tenure exists so that professors can express their views, no matter how controversial they may be, without fear of retribution or loss of position. Professors throughout history, from the most bleeding heart liberal to the staunchest conservative, have EARNED this right through years of research and academic contribution. The concept of tenure exists to ENCOURAGE lively discourse and to provoke thought amongst those studying a particular field, and tenure protects against the censorship of ideas, which is essential if a field of study is ever going to progress in an honest, legitimate fashion.

It doesn't matter whether the institution of learning is funded by tuition or taxpayers--if a university wants to at all be taken seriously academically it MUST protect it's participants' rights to free speech. How selfish and small-minded of you people to want to shut this man up because you don't agree with what he's saying! I pay taxes too, and there are politicians and government officials who make statements I don't approve of all the time. And I think that's just fine! It's what America is all about.

I don't agree with Mr. Churchill's point of view, and I think he did say some horribly insensitive things. People say things that might hurt others all the time, folks--this is just one of those hot-button statements the MEDIA love to exploit, because they know that loads of readers are DYING to become all self-righteous and rush to the rescue of sympathetic targets, like the families of 9/11 victims. Come on, those families have been through hell; they're strong enough to endure the petty rants of some bozo professor in Colorado! Where is all your virtuous indignation for those who are oppressed and disenfranchized by entire INSTITUTIONS, or society as a whole? Maybe it's too hard for you to identify a villain you can enjoy demonizing in those cases? Or maybe you'd have to examine your own behavior?

Churchill has pissed a lot of people off, to be sure, and maybe he'll have enough character to apologize to those he may have offended. But look at how much dialogue his statements have generated! This is what a free society is all about, and it's how we learn and grow, people! Open your minds!

Once again, another embarrassment to CU Boulder as well as an embarrassment to our beautiful state of Colorado: Ward Churchill. Let's send him over to the Taliban so he doesn't have to suffer any longer in our capitalistic soceity.

Hey Boomer,
It makes you feel good to know that there are people out there who feel unhappy, even hopeless?

The poor man appears to be upset that the indian is not a top man on the totem pole of life in the U.S. He probably hates being an Indian and strikes out at all non-indian facets and people in this country. Losing his job will probably result in him ending up like Ira Hayes.

He has the right to say what he wants, but he is wrong as sin.

I find it amazing that this many people are surprised at what Ward Churchill has had to say. I caught Mike Savage this evening running is idiotic mouth about it too. In many ways, however, as grotesquely as Churchill chose to deliver the message, the guy is right. The United States government has participated in a VAST multitude of murdering schemes of its own in the middle east. Take SAVAK for instance, or Roosevelt's deal with the Saudi Royal family, or how about our provision of chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein so he could snuff out those bad guys the Iranians. Why would are we so shocked that at some point the light would go on and people who have very little recourse would come after us through terrorist means. I'm not justifying the crime. Simply put though, I think everyone posting here just doesn't want to hear the truth. Our government is complicit in the terrorism of 9/11. Not directly, no. I'm no left wing radical; nor am I a conspiracy theorist. But the US government has participated in crimes against humanity on every continent, including this one. Hawaii was a sovereign state until a bloody coup engineered by the US government made it a province of the United states. The deposition of the Shah in Iran was in response to a bloody campaign of extermination by his secret police, the aforementioned SAVAK, armed and financed by (you guessed it) the US government. How about the use of mind altering drugs on prison inmates without their consent or knowledge? That only came out in the open in 1972. Look guys, I hate to say this, but we're no more the good guys or the champions of freedom than any other nation. And you can say that I'm un-patriotic, or I need to go live somewhere else, but that would be far from the truth. The reality is that I'd like for our government to live by the ideals that we have come to cherish. Freedom, Democracy, and discourse. I am a patriot. And it should be noted that I desire a better America, where capitalism is the state of the nation and law applies to all equally and our obligations are upheld. If that's socialism then J. Edgar Hoover never wore a skirt.

Bernadette,

I quote "how did a whole society-Germany- allow the holocaust to happen?"
You're the "educated" person here, Bernie. You tell us.....
Back when this happened, there was no media to call the country's attention to this like there is now. Most regular German citizens had no idea this was happening. There wasn't even a television available back then, hence, no news flashes alerting the general public! Some people may have had radios. But do you think Hitler allowed these atrocities to be reported? Nope.
All they knew was that Jews were being "relocated" to different parts. They had no idea why. No one questioned anything because of the horrific fear of the Gestapo. You don't have that kind of fear today, Bernie.
How do I know this? My family and I are German and my mother clearly remembers Hitler.

Do not speak about something you have NO clue about!

Hey, Walter, at the next RMBB I'll give you some bleach so you can disinfect your blog after the moonbat invasion.

Great Posting, 'mothy'. Short, concise, truthful!!!!!

Yo, Walt, when you write your literate tome in refutation of Churchill's work, maybe your crummy little blog will get more hits.

I'll believe Churchill is an Indian when I see his ancestoral pedigree. He appears to be what we in Oklahoma call smidge Indians. Those are 1/32 or 1/64 blood that claim to be Indians for political, commercial or social gain.

Yo, troll! I think I have more hits than I want by one, at least. You have no clue as to my politics, do you?

And can't you do better than steal your handle from these guys?

Carol, this is off-topic, but your understanding of the awareness of the German people during the Holocaust is completely misinformed. I suggest you refer to the actual historical documents and interviews widely available (start with Ophuls "The Sorrow and the Pity," or "Shoah"), rather than the anecdotal memories of your elderly mother.

His grim face..gray complexion and drab-dirty hair makes him look like he eats a lot of rotten meat...there is an old saying.... 'you can thank Mother Nature for your good looks when you're young...but you have to thank yourself for what you look like when you get older'..

This nazi is no native american. That's an insult to me and all others of true native american heritage. Growing your golden locks long and buying a dream catcher for the bedroom doesn't make you an american indian. This lily-white fascist is nothing but a frustrated neo-nazi and as a "professor" can scarcely put two logical thoughts in a row. All a pig like Ward is worthy of is turning your back and ignoring him.

I read the essay, it doesn't say directly 3000 people deserved to die on 9.11.2001. But it indirectly states there was no better target for revenge. I personally believe nobody should have been killed that day, and those buildings should have been standing today.

But Churchill raises questions and shares his thoughts which provokes debates over issues relating to our existence.

transcript:
[edit. here's where Free Spirit copies WC's words from the original post.]

Churchill is wrong because what he states warps the minds of those who would believe him. This is not the 1940's nor is it the 19th Century. The U.S. does not officially target civilians any more. While some civilians do die in war, it does not take away from the justification for such war. The people in the WTC were innocent. That is the undeniable truth.
How can I say this though? The proof is in why the terrorists do what they do. Terrorists do not attack the U.S. because it supports Israel, or because it meddles in the Middle East. We are attacked because we represent the future of humanity, freedom. Freedom is what all people aspire to and deserve, and our President graciously has gone out and tried to allow the Iraqis and Afghans to have this opportunity.
The real enemy of peace in the world is not Bush, but dictators around the world, like those in Venezelua (apologize for my spelling), Burma, North Korea, Iran, Syria and other terrible places. These governments are inherently illegitmate, since they depend on fear to stay in power.
In this vein, what Churchill has said is vile, and disgusting. We as the harbingers of human freedom have a right to make the world more just. I only hope that I could give my life to making the world a better place. That is just what those who have died in the war on terrorism (and for that matter, all 20th Century wars that America has participated in, if you want to debate me, please email me. I am a Graduate student in history, so I would like to think that I have some basis for knowledge on this).
Does Churchill deserve to be censored? No. Let him sprew his trash. Such intellectual crap will not last the test of history. Sooner or later his views will be seen for what they truly are, the same drivel that the Nazis, Communists, racists, KKK, and terrorists produced and produce. To defeat such horrible speech, one must put it in open debate. Therefore, I personally challenge Churchill to a debate. And in the spirit of Joe Namath, I guarantee victory. When the light of reason is shown on such utter intellectual laziness, all can see that it is truly progressive to ignore this man. I will even tie an intellectual hand behind my back, and show up drunk. Anyone with half a brain will see that we have nothing to fear from Churchill, and will feel only pity.

I only sent a few of these people over, I swear it.

RE: Ward Churchill - All of the comments that have been posted thus far about Churchill represent pure and unadultered ignorance. Thank your colonial, genocidal masters for what you have today because this so-called free and democratic nation you call America (applies to occupied Canada and other settler nations) was built on plunder and calculated assimilation of the native peoples. Are you aware of your [edit] history???Try learning about the past from a non corporate media source and not the [edit] glorified "America the Brave and the Free" comic book lies.
I am so thankful that we have people like Churchill to brave and confront the ruling hegemony of this world, who exude pure racism and utter contempt for humanity.
I feel sorry for people like you who are so incredibly naive and propoganized.
Good luck with your conscience.

Wow. I just read Yolanda's post, and it really shows the ignorance and anger people have when they don't really read history. There is no defending Churchill's speech, just as there is no defending what the KKK say. However, they and he should be able to say it. I give 20-1 odds that Yolanda went to a failed public school and has no grasp of what history really holds. I would be happy to instruct you, just email me and I will set you straight. Keep an open mind, and release the hate.

To Yolanda:

Sorry, girl. I'm an ethnic Pacific Islander and thank God for the United States of America which liberated us in the Marianas Islands.

We had no oil, no diamonds, nothing to exchange for the deaths of 15,000 American soldiers who died in 21 days of battle in 1944, on a 7x14 mile island.

Today, we have no US military bases on the islands, and our culture, language, & well-being is protected by the United States of America.

We celebrated our 60 Years of Freedom in 2004. We control our own government and laws. No meddling by the USA.

I will never be apologetic, nor defensive to other minorities about the military might & capitalism of the United States of America. It protects my freedom, and yours.

Faustina Cabrera Togawa

Sometimes I get so angry at some of the posts to this blog that I just want to blast out a bunch of filthy words and start calling people dirty names. Then folks like Victor A and Faustina come along and put it all in perspective, and I realize I'm not alone. That, indeed, I'm with the majority of rational, clear-thinking people. Good job guys!

To Idealist.
You were doing just fine until you mentioned Ira Hayes. Ira was a good Marine, and he did his duty on one of the most, if not THE MOST, deadly Pacific campaigns of World War II. I wish you would read Flags of Our Fathers. It's about Iwo Jima and what those young kids went through for all of us. Ira was one of those kids. As far as I'm concerned, Ira will always be at the top of any totem pole. It was a tragedy what happened to him, but I know that he's in Heaven with a bottle of the best scotch in one hand, a big fat pacalolo (joint) in the other, and a beautiful woman laying beside him. At least that's what I wish for Ira. I can't speak for you, but Ira was a better man then, than I am today.

This may be off the beaten path, but what is Ethnic Studies, specifically?

There have always been people who believe that groups of other people need to be targetes to right a collective wrong. Mr. Churchill is one of them. So was Hitler. The list doesn't start or end there, but he is no doubt in that intellectual league. And it is exactly that mentality that has encapsulated the greatest acts of genocide in history. It is the thought that some people are guilty of some type of world crime, and therefore, not only deserve to die, but need to die to make the world a better place, that has been an engine for history itself, as history is more or less a train wreck of persecution and murder of one people or another.

This is a man so full of hatred for the western white world, that he justifies the slaughter of the rank and file. He, like the terrorists, make no distinction between institutions and people. If you are a citizen of the US, or even of the western world, you deserve to be punished for some imagined collective sin. Just as the Nazis felt that individual Jews deserved to die for the collective sins of the race itself.

This qualifies as hate speech which is not protected under the constitution. Yet, because he is an Indian, he knows he can get away with it using his own race as a shield against the anti-hate laws. The fact that our society tolerates him when we don't have to under pre-existing hate laws, is proof that the very society he hates is the only society that will humor him. Not only is that ironic, it is sickening.

What drives this man? One, he is a native indian activist so already he has a huge grudge against the west for a million preceived wrongs. Secondly, he is also an extreme leftist - anarchist. Put those together and you will understand why he cheered the 9/11 attacks. There is an old saying, the enemy of an enemy is a friend of mine. Just as with Michael Moore and any other radical leftist, anyone who attacks the American people will be an intellectual friend of theirs.

The irony of our letting him speak, though he violates hate speach laws, is that if this man had a million-man army at his disposal, to right his perceived injustices, he would do to us what the Nazis did to the Jews. He would have no mercy.

To “Too bad”

To answer your question, yes it makes me and many others feel absolutely wonderful to see people like Churchill and Yolanda and Bernadette filled with such hopelessness.
I have no pity for them. They obviously have access to objective sources of information but instead they fill their minds, their hearts and their sense of being with a perverse injustice and founded in hate. Why should anyone pity them or even offer them objectivity they obviously don’t want?
So instead we sit positions of comfort and watch for the sake entertainment since they don’t offer anything of any value to anyone.
Do I want to silence them or remove them from society? Absolutely not. I want their speech as protected as anyone else. But just as their speech is protected so is my right to shun it and even find joy in their pained hopelessness.
Because the reality is they offer no solutions, no paths, no direction. Instead all they can deliver with endless regularity is a twisted critique of society.
Considering all the responses to people like these I do believe joy is the most positive and rather appropriate.

Re: "he would do to us what the Nazis did to the Jews"

Mark,

I hope you will now resign from your job. You've just done exactly what you are accusing him of.

I imagine most of the posters above are white Americans? (I'm not.)

Perhaps you all need to approach Prof Churchill's latest offerings with an open mind, because there's a lot of sense in there. Dismissing what he has to say is exactly what he says you'll do. The end result, in his not wholly inaccurate theory, will be more chickens coming home to roost. Don't say nobody told you.

Have a nice day, y'all!
Angus

Angus,
As I recall when chicken come home to roost they are easier to catch and turn into tasty food products. Extra crispy for me thank you!

Would you all please go back to CU and learn how to spell. We should probably discuss adult literacy and education. Obviously our system has failed because many of you cannot write a basic sentence.

yolanda,
please get some help. Maybe you and Bernadette can do a time share on a therapist. I bet the US Gov. will even help you get funding for a therapist. they seem to like throwing their money away on lost causes. Churchill sounds like he could stand to go as well.

Everyone always talks about the evil the US does. Well, guess what, that's human nature, innit? The US does an awful lot of good in the world too, oftentimes being first in line to help starving kids and ruined lives when natural disasters strike.
Sure, We have our dirty tricks, but you know what? So do all the other countries and governments large and small. Take a good hard look at France and Germany, Russia too. You really think they were morally against going into Iraq? Nah, they've NEVER been morally against anything before so why now? It's money, people. plain and simple. they had vested interests in keeping saddam in there. Now they ain't got no place for get their cheep earl (oil) and thus we get the "high road" posturing.

I don't need Churchill's fancy discombobulated sentance structure to get it across do I?
Let me try: White man make bad voodoo in visionquest for wampum.
See, it just don't sound right coming from whitey.
Yawn-lahnda, I'm bored with Am-indians whining about the US government. S.T.F.U. No ones getting a refund or their money back so just pipe down.
There's nothing noble about your political stance and no one really buys the dreamcatcher bullshit so go back to the bingo parlour and have another beer. hell, I'll buy you a damn beer if you just buck up and participate instead of behaving like you're personally been wronged by me and my family. yota hey or whatever.
And if you wanna bitch about Columbus Day go to fricking Spain and have a go at them for financing Columbus to send him here.
Back to WC.
Chicken coming home to roost, indeed. That was a moronic statement when Malcom said it. Don't conveniently forget people....He learned the real lesson of life, changed his hateful ways and his own people murdered him for it....don't ever forget that. Love your brother, Churchill.

That's the trouble with a large number of whining people in this country, they don't remember the golden rule plain and simple.
Rant over....Oh wait...Angus, blow it out your haggis.

My favorite posts are the ones where the so called "informed" people rant on others about how we are force fed "corporate media propoganda".

These posts just crack me up. These people use little rebel buzz words that they get get from their extreme left websites. They are more institutionalized in their little world of government conspiracy theories and brainwashing stories than we could ever be.

I love these armchair activist rebels. So strong they are and the conviction that drives them to relentlessly cut and paste other peoples words as there own to show us "corporate slaves" how it really is.

Thank god they are here for us. Keep it up "super rebel", fighting the evil forces of greedy American capitalists. keep fighting the country you use as a nice comfortable bed everynight where you are safe and sound to bite the hand that feeds you everyday.

I see post threads like this a lot and everyones perspective shrinks to zilch real fast. People forget all the things that this country does everyday to help people across the globe. Hostorically we have thrown ourselves in harms way to protect strangers. We give the most money we give the most aid anywhere and everywhere.

I did two deployments as a Marine in the Med. We spent our time bouncing from country to country evacuating and providing aid to many different countries ranging from Albania to Turkey to areas in the Congo. This is what we did, we went from place to place making sure civilians got out of harms way and got food and water to survive their strife.

These people who rant and rave about how bad we are how we conservative common sense types are the mis-informed ones, you know the" sheeple", the "evangelical midwest" ( I freakin hate that more than anything). The people who go to work everyday and provide goods and services that keep this country running and safe for THEM to crap all over it. They accept what they read from these very biased extreme left websites as fact and run with it.

Well, I have been out there and I have seen what we do so I am saying they are full of shit.

Most of the people like this are basically kids who never really grow up and except the reality that life is hard work. You are born and you die and what you do in between is your own responsibility.

If you find that making controversial statements surrounding an incident where civilians were massacred for no valid reason then be prepared to accept the fact that people will want to hurt you for it. Don't be a little weasel and hide behind "freedom of speech maaaaan" You know what you said, you know why you said it now be a man or a woman and be prepared to accept your fate.

I am not saying what someone might do to you is wrong or right but if you have an ounce of common sense you know exactly what the results of saying things such as this might get ya.

I would be interested to see what this guy and his groupies who are so enlightened, as we are not, have to say about the troops that have died in Iraq.

Let's see how brave this guy really is. I think that even he knows that that would be a little to risky to impress a few soft brained college twits.

I love these well informed college students who have such statements to make about the world and how it "really is". Let's try leaving the lower 48 and getting to a country that is on verge of civil war and then see what you think. Go join the military and see for yourself what we do out in the field.

Super Rebel Activist!! GRRRR! Get em tiger, you super educated free thinker who knows more than the rest because you read it on the internet. GRRR! BUZZWORD!!! BUZZWORD!! Copy/Paste!!

Man, you guys are good...

Until you see for yourself you better be a better judge of who you take your information from. You can end up making yourself look like quite the hypocrite saying we are the brainwashed ones when all you do is look at one crackpot, pushing conspiracy thoeries like crack website.

damn,

I was expecting it to auto refresh when I hit post, I guess this type of msg board does not do that. I am used to Phpbb style boards.

I see now how it works. No more multi posts from me.

It was kind of dumb I guess lol. Oh well...

Every American has the write to voice their opinion..no matter how subversive it may be...
and no one can argue that America has caused death to many innocent civilians and in many different countries all over the world. I congratulate you Dr. Churchill for having to courage to say that many Americans should consider before they ignorantly go on playing the vicitim card. Also, please read Dr. Churchills writing for yourself...do not believe the contorted versions of the media until you investigate the situation and read the literature in its entirety.

This is for Joseph Sellars an absolute idiot.
***There is no race that is indigenous to North America. The commonly referred to "Native America" people did not originate here. They are descendants of the Mongolians and migrated to North America via the Aleutian Islands.***
Well if the same logic applies then all of the people on the earth are descendants from what you call Africans. I call us the Original People. But who cares. It seems free speech has its limitations, not because of what controversies it would raise but merely because the speaker would be apt to feel a slow moving blade across his throat. How dare you blog something so [edit] dumb and take a stance at WC's statements.

I'm definitely not done Jo Jo.
There are those who try to live in peace and try with the life they’ve been given to change the world for the better. I think that’s an extremely hard thing to do in this climate of ‘Death to Dissent’ if that means that someone practices what they preach then I would expect WC to do so. But here we have a clear case of a VOICE wanting to be heard and yet all of what he says does not concur with the mass killers who drag their knuckles across highway 25. If you cannot beat us then do not say anything... else off with his head.

How much chaos must take place on American soil before she sees the same chaos that she has dished to every civilization that was doing just fine.

You know I reflect to think what is oppression. Is it firing a man, who doesn’t fit the accepted norm? Is it getting rid of any VOICE that does not pacify or distract, while countless atrocities are being tolled in the name of DEMOCRACY? I thought a university was supposed to be a place where one attends to here a diverse VOICE and thought provoking words. You are enraged not because WC charges your scroll with yet another atrocity, but rather that he has pointed out your innocent blood wasn’t all innocent. Their may have been a few truly evil bastards in the WTC on that day. I ask the question why would these people attack the WTC in the first place. Unless it had some truly significant role in the policies that are beaten into the people across the world, why would these men have troubled themselves with that target of all the targets in the world? They might have just waited for a super bowl and killed as many ‘innocent’ people then?

What silly fool would believe that a people after a generation or two of oppression wouldn't rise to fight there own civil war. While we dare fight for Democracy we dare not raise a hand to prevent genocide. The world over, everywhere there has been non-democratic nations, each of those nations perished. Each and every last one. And it wasn't because the Euro-gentile came to save them, by bombing their entire infrastructure.

Let's face it, all of you knuckle dragging, lovers of America, can only view America through the shades your Racist parents gave. You selfish, greedy, war mongering [edit]'s. If you had a clue, you would accept different opinions and critical self-analysis, instead of tossing out rhetoric and DEATH THREATS. But then, the true nature of the European comes to light. If it don't fit kill it!

How many monsters, beasts, demons, and outright devils exist in this country no one can tell. But if making a living by inadvertently being a greedy bastard is the case then WC is so right. You will inevitably perish, and those who work to clean your toilets may end up in the burning rubble as well.
I hate the fact that there is death and I wish no one would die. But death to some seems to be a tool used to place fear and enmity between those of us who truly want peace on earth. We want that peace because that peace is in us. Not in us in Mexico or Canada, but right here where we were born. I am part Native to this land as well, should I pack my bags and go to the original place of my people? Oh that would be 'Africa' you [edit].

So Posted by: Joseph Sellars

The skin on your knuckles must be mighty thick, and it seems you may come from a long line of long armed Patriots. Lets call it what it is, your a racist, you hate everyone who does not bend over when you approach them on the street, and you would rather kill everyone from the Jew (and his [edit] God), to the 'African' (and his [edit] God), to the Native (and his [edit] God), to the Original Australian (and his [edit] God), and every last one of 'dem dare MOslims (and his [edit] God), oh I don't want to forget the 'Chinamen and (and his [edit] bootlegging God).

JoJo don't sellout and become the first of the knuckle dragging wannabe peace loving cretins to lift your arms and use your thumbs. Dare I say, listen to a different opinion, than the one written on the back of the cave.

PEACE or in the traditional farewells of your ancestors KILL

Wow, the level of vehemence out West for Churchill is just astounding -- just scrolling through this blog took more than 30 minutes. For all the folks who've leapt to Churchill's defense, who say he's totally against violence, check out this link to an interview he gave to an online animal rights group in April 2004: http://www.satyamag.com/apr04/churchill.html. Pay close attention to the first two questions and his responses where he talks about the necessity to "neutralize" fellow citizens. In his mind, virtually anyone would be subject to "neutralization," not just the fictional nuclear-bomb-making scientist. Some great, peace-loving guy, huh?

[Deleted. Keep your racial epithets to yourself.]

Honestly, Originals, please run -- don't walk -- to a psychologist. Hate and anger, no matter against whom, will kill you, slowly but surely.

Again we see the finest specimens with yet and even still thicker knuckle skin.
Hate - I think not, but What is Truth? I think.. Discerning, being Wise, Self transcendence.
Have a clue, you Mucks.

Wow this is fun!

Originals:

From one your Mucks to an even bigger Muck (glance in a mirror): Toodles!

Catch ya on the flip side.

John John
Be good be safe be free
that's the image i present. but it seems that may be a little 4th dimensional.
use the mirror from spaceghost:
'you're just a coon with a 'puter'

The witch from sleeping beauty had a mirror, do your know that it spoke so many lies and deceits for fear of its "life". Drop the club and look both ways when crossing the street and don't forget to pick your flees every morning. Because you are the OPPOSITE of ME... mirror

Toodles

I posted earlier about Prof. Churchill's stupid statements. First, I don't think that my being a white American makes my opinion any less true as some who posted above would insinuate. That is a form of racism, don't you know?
Secondly, the poster originals stated this most clearly, the current American "left" is a degenerate intellectual display. Such talk would have been rightly condemned not to long ago as treasonous and riduculed as Nazism in the extreme. Where does this and Churchill's beliefs come from? The mother of these bastards is the old Soviet Union itself, a force though long dead.
It is quite funny. Someone with my political beliefs during the 1950's would call me a liberal. A short change of 50 years and I am on the other side of the politcal spectrum. Why the shift? Soviet infiltration into American life began during the 1930's. These planted the seeds for the slow hjacking of the Left in this country. If you doubt such statements, I encourage you to read a book called the Verona Project, which details the Soviet spy net in the U.S.
This intellectual birth of our Leftism is even acknowledged today. All you have to do is ask a dyed in the wool leftist who their greatest enemy ever was. They will tell you Senator Joseph McCarthy. This is the man who spawned McCarthyism. McCarthy seeked to uncover the Soviet corruption in America, which would have destroyed this movement in its infancy. So, McCarthy was vilified. Much of what most Americans know about this figure is untrue, and he deserves a reassesment in historical knowledge. For those of you who are interested, I wrote a paper on the Senator, proving much of what I am saying. If you so desire, email me and I could send it to you.
What does McCarthy have to do with Churchill? Churchill's intellectual beliefs are derivived from the original communist and subversive beliefs that the Soviets implanted here in order to destroy America. These beliefs began to corrupt the original American left during the 1960's, and left some of the original communist intent behind, but replaced it with an unhealthy dose of virulent anti-Americanism.
This belief system believes that American is indeed the Great Satan, and that we are one of the most evil peoples to inhabit the globe. They seek to subvert the United States through the internal mechanisms that make the country strong. This belief structure can come in different strains, from the extremes of Ward Churchill to the more moderate Dan Rather. These people often will ignore real historical evidence when it conflicts (it always does, believe me, I am a historian) with their worldview. They cannot be convinced that they are wrong, simply because they are delusional. We on this post have a few such individuals, such as "originals". I feel pity for such a person, who will never know the joys of opening thier mind and actually understand the world around them. Their words do not hurt me, even though he called me and my ilk racists, cavemen, and murderers.
All of you who don't support Ward Churchill's statements, don't go down to their level. We hold the moral and intellectual high ground. By telling such people to leave the U.S. or just shut up, we give up that ground. They have the right to speak, as to do you. Your voice of reason will drown out those voices of hate and evil, and it will be obvious that such people and their ideas will soon join thier founders in the ash heap of history. Keep good cheer, and keep fighting the good fight.

I'll bet Prof. Churchill will be on Bill O'Reilly in the next few days!

The man has no place in any decent society.

Interesting reading all the comments from both sides. One thought has occured to me though, with the exception of the USA, most of the countries mentioned, that is Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, North Korea, Sudan, and to a much lesser degree, France, Russia, Spain and yes even Great Britain, would not allow one of you to espouse your thoughts in such a manner without dire consequences to your physical and mental well being. This is far from a perfect country, but I'rather be a beggar in the streets here then a citizen of those lands.

In this great country, we are protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution to say what we wish. Mr. Churchill was simply expressing his views, and he