Walter In Denver

This is one of the better posts I've read on this view. Thank you for sharing.

In this world when Christian's are often looked at as being hypcritical... this is a place where we can show that we aren't.

Churches have really tried to keep Church and State seperate. IF this is true and continues to be true for the purposes of taxes and beliefs... then this is another place where they need to seperate. What the government is deciding should not be effected by the Church's stance.

The Church can not have it both ways, and trying to have it both ways is incredibly unethical.

-d

I find it ironic that the constitutional amendment is often spoken of as needed to protect the "sanctity" of marriage. If we're turning to a piece of paper from the government to tell us what is holy, we're in trouble.

Growing up in a minister's family, I attended a lot of weddings, and it was always understood that the marriage license was a piece of paper that the government would give to anybody (you didn't have to be responsible, or good, or even love your spouse). What mattered was the vows spoken in church to each other and to God, surrounded by the parisioners who also vowed to help the couple through their tough times. It was that critically important piece (in which the government had no involvement) that made a marriage sacred.

We knew people who got married at a Justice of the Peace and sure, they were legal, but it wasn't the same.

The government is the last place I look for sanctity. Sanctimoniousness, maybe.

I think this issue could be Bush shooting himself in the foot (yet again). I think people like me who are in an interracial marriage even if they had been in support of Bush before may not be too keen on this issue, as the arguments in support of a constitutional amendment for banning gay marriage were made in the mid 60’s when the supreme court said that states were no longer allowed to refuse marriage licenses to interracial couples or jail interracial couples (the ruling was Loving v. Virginia 1967). At that time about 70% of the population believed interracial marriage to be a sin. Nearly every single one of the arguments used to support a ban on gay marriage was used back then to support banning interracial marriage. Just like it is none of the governments business what skin tone my wife has, it should not be the governments business what body parts she has or does not have.

Gay marriage is a bad idea. If you look at Scandanavia, where unions have been in place for 10 years, marriage hardly exists anymore. Those who said gay marriage/unions would cheapen marriage itself are exactly right.

i totaly think gay marriage hould be legal!!!!!

I believe that gay marriages should in fact be legal. To ban it is unconstitutional! There is NO law or ammendment stating that two men or two women can or can not form a Civil Union together. Banning it would be degrating what our country is based on! Freedom and equality! If they ban it, we obviously dont have freedom. Also, how can anyone say homosexuals are being treated equally? They are discriminated and looked down apon everywhere. "With Liberty and Justice for ALL"? I dont think so!

I think anyone who is against gay marriage are inconsiderate, selfish pricks. How will it affect you if gays have the right to marry? It won't. You're not gay, so you have no right to decide. You don't know what it's like to be unequal in this country just because of a sexual preference you're born with. So keep your redneck mouths shut and quit complaining. Everyone deserves equal treatment, and that includes marriage and the benefits that come with it. Never confuse religious beliefs with the government. It just doesn't work.

nothing is wrong with gay marrige if you love them!

First of all, you all make the mistake of thinking gay marriage is particular to any one religion. It's not. It is a MORAL issue, not confined to any one religion. There are Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons who all oppose it. Secondly to make it EQUAL to marriage forgets one important fact. Heterosexuals can reproduce naturally, and gays cannot. Also, we know it is best for a child to have one father and one mother from studies alone. So it is disingenuous to sit there and act as if we are comparing 2 equal situations...we are not.

The problem that most people supporting gay marriage fail to notice is gay divorce. In most cases the wife gets custody of the children, the wife gets alamony, most of the personal belongings go to the wife. If we have a gay divorce how will this be handled? It will be handled differently. And the women are gonna be saying "foul" when the laws don't favor them anymore

Stephen - I think it is important for you to consider that it is not only Church that ought not be mxed with State, but the issues of morality as well. I don't feel like you have any right whatsoever to draw parallels between religions who share the same views on homosexuality, when each of those religions refuses to recognize the others. Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, etc all believe that they have the one piece of the pie that matteres, and there are no other gods before their god. Now, I really don't give a shit if you have found studies that show it is better for a child to have one mother and one father. You need to consider, as a multi-capable, high-capacity human being, the fact that the reason these studies have shown evidence is because of the unaccepting society in which they were conducted. If society was embracing of gay and lesbian relationships and marriage involving children, there would be no issue of mental damage to a child's development. I am sure you could find studies that show it is better for a child to be reared with parents of the same race. The reason I know you could find this is because the society we live in outwardly discriminates against interracial marriage, and of course there will be ridicule and prejudices experienced therein. The idea is what counts. A society can only change when its thinking has changed. Fuck your studies.

I really liked this piece of writting, and it made me realize something, The president... what does he think about all of this? Yeah i know he agrees that gay marriage is wrong, but does he really, i mean if the majority of people say ban gay marriage, then the president might say ok i'll do it but will you vote for me? and stand by my side? and support me? and love me? i mean do you really think the president sits all day and thinks about gay marriage? he probrably has better things to do like kiss ass and sent our troops to war. Also, as for religion, yeah the goverment really has no right on this becuase ironically we are free to believe in whatever we want, right? It sure doesn't seem that way to me. Think about it if you are homosexual, then you most likely believe in gay marriage right? so you can believe it but you can't do it? that really doesnt make sense. What do people think really? that by not accepting gay marriage they are going to heaven? They should stop being so self centered, and stop worrying about what they want, if someone wants to get married with someone of the same sex then so be it, if it is a sin like they so strongly believe it then let them sin, everyone sins anyway, let them sin, they are sinning not the person is opposed. They don't believe it's a sin just as much those who oppose believe it is a sin. People should really learn to mind their own business.

PS im an not homosexual i just think people should have the right to do as they wish

also when you think about it this is a democratic country right (USA) and the majority of people want gay marriage banned, this is what makes it so hard that's why it shouldnt even be a political issue.

YOu can't be married to another of the same sex and be a christian at the same time. you can however be gay but not feed that desire allowing yourself to be a true christian.

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